It’s the first chance to win domestic silverware this weekend as Chelsea and Liverpool face off at Wembley in the League Cup final.
Manchester United’s failure to win the Europa League last season was not only a real-time disappointment but also stopped them from regaining parity with Liverpool, after the Merseyside club had snuck ahead to 43 major honours with their Premier League title win in 2020. For a game that venerates its own history so much, football has problems reconciling what should truly count when it comes to assessing the most successful clubs. Do you go for raw figures? Or do you apply some sort of era filter, given that the game’s laws have changed so much? For instance, three of Newcastle’s four league title came when goalkeepers could handle the ball up to the halfway line, while both of Preston’s league titles came before the penalty kick was introduced. Fair? Football is it? Those honours certainly count, but should they matter as much as a modern trophy, forged in the high-intensity cauldron of modern football? Let’s investigate.
Readers should note that the myriad forms of ‘Super Cup’ honours have not been included in these gloried calculations as these are a) quasi-friendlies a lot of time, and b) aren’t open to most clubs. And while you get a gold badge to wear on your shirt, I haven’t included the Club World Cup in these figures. Please add on one honour for each of Manchester United, Liverpool and Chelsea if you deem that competition a worthy addition to this overall assessment of the most successful teams in English football history. The competitions included here are the FA Cup (started 1871), the league championship (started 1888, reconstituted to the Premier League in 1992), the League Cup (started 1960), the European Cup (started 1955, rebranded as the Champions League in 1992), the UEFA Cup (started 1971, rebranded as the Europa League in 2009), the European Cup Winners Cup (started 1960, abolished 1999) and, perhaps controversially, the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, which was ran from 1955 to 1971 and is widely seen as the forerunner of the UEFA Cup. In regards to English football Leeds won it twice, Newcastle and Arsenal once. It’s not recognised by UEFA as part of a club’s European record but FIFA do, and that’s good enough for us.
The All-Time Leaders
Let’s start with the headline figure, which is that Liverpool are on 43 major honours (19 league titles, seven FA Cups, eight League Cups, six European Cups and three UEFA Cups), one clear of their eternal rivals Manchester United, who are one ahead of them on English league titles as it stands but three behind them when it comes to the beacon of prestigiousness that is the European Cup/Champions League. United, like Chelsea, have won all three major European titles – Liverpool never won the Cup Winners Cup – and maybe, at some point, one of these sides will win the UEFA Conference League. Will this count as a major honour? Technically yes.
The other thing to note is that despite seemingly endless online debate about whether clubs like Manchester City (first major honour: the 1904 FA Cup) and Chelsea (first major honour: the 1954-55 league title) have “history,” the fact is they are the fourth and fifth most successful teams in English footballing history, and are both narrowing that gap to Arsenal in third.
Ancient Lore
Football didn’t start in either 1992 or 1888, but you can draw arbitrary lines at any point if you’re looking to bolster or supress a club’s cachet. As New Years Day 1900 dawned the most successful league sides were Aston Villa (four title wins), Sunderland (three) and Preston (two). Villa added a fifth later in 1900 and a sixth in 1910 but have been champions of England only once since, in 1981, although that did allow them the opportunity to become European champions in 1982.
Other midlands sides of note include Nottingham Forest, who parlayed their single league title in 1978 to a pair of European Cup wins in 1979 and 1980, and Leicester, who began the 2010s without having ever been champions of England or FA Cup winners, an issue they sorted out in 2016 and 2021 respectively.
But if we’re going to draw a dividing point, why not use the Second World War, which saw league football suspended for seven seasons, and, contrary to what a lot of 1992 deniers claim, was often used as a neat football history dividing point prior to the foundation of the Premier League. The Before The War table has Villa well clear on 12 honours, four ahead of Blackburn and then five sides on seven. Arsenal are in there, and can lay claim to being the most historically consistent side, the only club in this list to regularly challenge for honours in the 21st century. The decline of north east football always deserves some considered thought, with all of Sunderland’s and Newcastle’s league titles coming before the war. Sunderland, in 1936, remain the last champions of England to play in stripes, which contrasts England significantly with Italy, among other nations.
Gleaming Modernity
Manchester United fans may be interested to learn that if we start football from 1945 (the FA Cup was played in 1945-46 but league football didn’t resume until 1946-47), then they are still level with Liverpool, because the Anfield side lose out on four league titles won before the war, while United only lose two leagues and the 1909 FA Cup. Liverpool famously had to wait a long time before winning their first FA Cup in 1965, losing finals in 1914 – the last one held at Crystal Palace – and 1950.
Opposition keeper at the 1914 cup final needs to push up a bit more
The truth is that no side has been able to permanently dominate English football, although Liverpool and Man Utd stand above all other clubs. The honours table since 1945 contains the same top five as the all-time one, albeit with Chelsea already ahead of Arsenal, and Man City surely set to reach 20 honours sooner rather than later. The only instruction to supporters is to make the most of every trophy and every big day out, because you never know when the ride is going to stop. Go back and tell a Preston fan in 1890, or a Sheffield United fan in 1898, or a West Brom fan in 1920, or a Huddersfield fan in 1926, or a Newcastle fan in 1927, or a Sheffield Wednesday fan in 1930, or a Sunderland fan in 1936, or a Wolves fan in 1959, or an Everton fan in 1987 or an Arsenal fan in 2004 that guess what, it was the last league title your club is going to win for a long time, perhaps forever. They simply won’t believe you because their team are the champions of England, and that’s not how it works.
The Future
There are few guarantees in football, but Liverpool and Manchester United remaining as the two most successful clubs in the country is as close as it gets. Liverpool, fighting on four fronts this season, could make a determined surge ahead of United by the time summer arrives but the pendulum will swing back at some point. In the meantime, Liverpool’s apparent rediscovery of the joy of trying to win domestic cup competitions faces its first test on Sunday at Wembley against Chelsea. Liverpool up to 44 honours? Or Chelsea up to 26?
memejunior
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Tottenham Hotspur after world war 3 not even a losers medal 😳😳😳
jikdeklryz
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successful clubs,harm, chelsea will do it so we have a team,chelsea play north lukaku job to do if pulisic is ziyech work he play we play with mount or no two to play timo play so mount play no lukaku working with mount,the front havertz nine is the team so mount work but have his work just like lukaku,we want pulisic working with lukaku if havertz nine is out to play so odoi play after pulisic and ziyech working pulisic to do so odoi play after pulisic is ziyech play they play,six no two six to play kante lead after that kovacic then lotus cheek and saul six too and who herm eight should play kante with jorginho eight play from back to win so kovacic and then no need saul is lotus cheek play eight so jorginho play it no one working no one thing to play football so chelsea to play so is the team
ifadac
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Thanks for this report; I didn't make any mistake when I chose Manchester United when I was very young. We are United ..... we are BIG .... we are the custodian of football ⚽️ glory ....GGMU
NestoGuya
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Chelsea alert ⚠ Jose Mourinho said in 2015 Jan that there's a Campaign in England against Chelsea and was fined £25,000 for saying that But 7 years later, all the English refs and VAR officials are still giving decisions everyday to show how right he was In our last 5 domestic finals in England, there were so many clear errors all overlooked by the referees ☔ Handball leading to Tielemans goal in the FA cup final last season ☔ Alexis Sanchez being clearly offside in the FA Cup final 4 years ago ☔ Handball leading to Sanchez goal that Same year ☔Chilwell being clearly onside in the FA cup final last season ☔ Lukaku goal disallowed when he was onside yesterday ☔ Keita not shown red for an awful tackle on Chalobah ☔ Kovacic shown a red card for winning ball in FA Cup final against Arsenal ☔ Hazard being onside right at the end in the Carabao cup final vs Man City 3 seasons ago but had the goal dissalowed by the ref We've played 11 finals in the past 5 years 6 were English finals, and the other 5 were either European or continental We've lost 7 and have won just 4 The English finals were Community shield 2017 ❌ FA cup 2018 ❌ Community shield 2018 ❌ Carabao cup 2018 ❌ FA Cup 2020❌ Carabao cup 2022 ❌ The non English finals Europa league 2019✅ Super Cup 2019 ❌ UCL 2021 ✅ Super Cup 2021 ✅ Club World cup 2021 ✅ It's not a coincidence that out of the 7 we lost , 6 were English finals and all were officiated by the English FA If the other 4 European finals were officiated by English refs, we would have lost all of them as well They always make sure that their decisions are against Chelsea and they don't even try to hide it anymore. Apart from finals, decisions are always taken against is Even in the league and cup Competitions If it were a chelsea player who committed Keita's foul yesterday, that would have been a straight red If it were a Chelsea player with Maguire's foul on Bathsuayi 2 years ago, that would be a red card It's becoming disgusting at this point and those decisions are costing us slot of trophies no matter how hard the boys work to reach these finals But we're Chelsea and we don't really care 😎💙 Since they won't let us win domestic trophies, we have no other option but to win the UCL again and keep winning more European and Continental Trophies 😎 I rest my case. 🌹 You're free to shout that Liverpool are the Carabao cup Champions, but that doesn't change the fact that we're still Champions of Europe and Champions Of the World 😎 🌹 You're free to shout that Liverpool are the Carabao cup Champions, but that doesn't change the fact that the Carabao cup is the smallest cup in England. A trophy where the winners go home with just £100K 🤣🤣. Not even close to half a million A very USELESS trophy indeed 😆😆😆 We are Chelsea💙 Their agenda against us is limited only to England We already have 2 trophies this season and still have the FA cup to win and UCL to defend We lost, but we move ✌🏽💙 #CFC #ChelseaFC
AbdulZaks008
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Liverpool now has 44 successful trophy not 43 AF
Saobcmntz
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MCFC are the ONLY TEAM to have done the DOMESTIC CLEAN SWEEP! CTID 💙 😛😜🤪😝
my team before I had all football or stats about them. Cityzens 💪
Man_utd246
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Gotta tell these kids how united and arsenal were the beasts and their team didn't exist in that time. But they still got the audacity to compare their weak ass team with the big boys. Sad to see 😕. 1. United 2. Liverpool 3. Arsenal In that order. Argue with your grandpa if you want to.