PGMOL chief Howard Webb is unconvinced that Diogo Dalot’s challenge on Jeremy Doku in Man Utd’s 2-0 win over Man City was worthy of a red card - but is convinced that VAR was right not to intervene.
Dalot escaped a red card for a 10th-minute tackle on Doku, which ex-Premier League referee Mike Dean believed was "100 per cent" a sending off.
The Man Utd defender was only shown a yellow card by referee Anthony Taylor, with VAR Craig Pawson backing the on-field decision.
Analysing the decision on Mic'd Up, Webb said: "Is there excessive force? Some will say, yes. I'm not quite there, but I can see that there could be.
"It's a subjective judgment…but I'm absolutely aligned that once that decision is taken on the field, we leave it as referee's call and we don't intervene with the VAR."
He added: "I think it's one where the referee's call should stand on the field. That's what we've said we'll do where there's a mix of considerations.
"I think there is a mix, and therefore in this situation, it was right to leave it as the referee's call.
"If a red had been given, I would have expected the red card to stand as well, in the same way."
'Freeze frames and slo-mo make situations look like red cards'
Man City boss Pep Guardiola felt Dalot should have been sent off after an early foul on Jeremy Doku.
But VAR Pawson stood by Taylor's on-field decision, believing the contact was "glancing and not with force".
Webb said: "At full speed, when you play it in real time, you can see there's not a great deal of speed in the action, not a lot of intensity.
"We were heavily criticised a few years ago for using slow motion and freeze frames because people said, this is not reality. It's not how the game is played. When you slow it down, it can look a lot worse - and it does. When you freeze frame it, you can make a lot of situations look like red card offences.
"So it's difficult for me to hear people make a judgment on this just by analysing freeze frame and slow motion, coming to the consideration that it's red on that basis.
"Yes, it could be red, but you have to think about the need to look at it at full speed. We've done that for some time now. We thought it was a fair criticism some time ago when people said, 'Stop using slow-mos as the main way of analysing these situations'. And we've listened, and we agree. And we play it at full speed. Then we slow it down a little bit to see the exact point of contact to factor that in as well.
"But without speed and force and intensity, it's unlikely to be a red card."
Keane and Richards feel Dalot should've been sent off
Sky Sports pundits Roy Keane and Micah Richards both felt Dalot should have been sent off.
Speaking at half-time at Old Trafford, Keane said: "Doku definitely helps him [by not staying down]. I'm no expert on red cards, but I think it's a red."
Richards said: "He [Dalot] is on top of his knee. That is as clear a red card as you are going to see. What more do you want?!"
Dermot: It's a red card
Ex-Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher speaking on Ref Watch:
"I thought it was a red card.
"He's gone in high and with a straight leg. He's hit him with his studs on the knee. The ball is not there, it's gone, so for me, it's a red card but for others, it is not."
Former Cardiff and England striker Jay Bothroyd agreed with Gallafger on Ref Watch:
"I can't believe Dalot has tried to appeal the yellow card. It's a terrible challenge.
"The priority for the referees is player safety. When you see challenges like that, Doku could have ended up really hurt.
"To me, it wasn't a glancing blow. His studs are up and it is above the ankle. I don't understand how it is not a red card.
"It's a terrible decision. That's going to be one of the worst decisions of the season."
How VAR decided not to intervene on Dalot tackle
On Mic'd Up, the full transcript between referee Taylor, VAR Pawson and assistant VAR, Adrian Holmes, was released and showed how the officials concluded staying with Taylor's on-field yellow card decision...
Ref: "I'm going yellow card, it's a glance."
VAR: "Yeah, he does, he's glancing contact on the knee. There's no force, but there is glancing contact. He's tried to play the ball, and he catches it with glancing contact. Glancing contact, there's no force. He's tried to play the ball, he flicks, he misses the ball, he catches him with a follow-through. I'm happy to confirm the on-field decision."
AVAR: "How fast does he come in?"
VAR: "He doesn't, he kind of slows into it."
AVAR: "He checks his step, doesn't he?"
VAR: "Yeah. Tayls [Anthony Taylor] confirming the yellow card for Manchester United 2 [Diogo Dalot]. He tries to play the ball, he misses it, and then he makes glancing contact onto the knee. There's no force or intensity, but he does catch him with a follow-through."
isofadaik87
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Some people are just so dumb.... Howard Webb just said to him, it's a red card, not only him. But some of y'all are still calling him out. I can't help but wonder, how deep it hurts, when Manchester United humiliated your team back then. I guess the pain hasn't healed. After all, no team, I repeat, no team have never benefitted from refereeing error or favouring. So cry all y'all want. The 3 points are in the bag. #GGMU
dubbcioruy
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Doku was not insured, carried on playing and was substituted in the second half. my point is they lost because they were not good enough on the deby day.
I didn’t realize you had to be injured and out of the rest of the match for there to be a red card. Is that new rule? Dumbass
sacbdiklyz
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if that was a Chelsea player we where going to see a red card we know you inconsistency
if its easy, buy refs too
sacbdiklyz
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yes if it was a Chelsea players it should be direct red card without VAR intervention
yes,that's because your club is too rough and full of arrogant players
sacbdiklyz
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
You'll continue crying again by weekend
Poheiksz
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of see more
Poheiksz
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fakabdmnor
Poheiksz
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soaabeimtz
King_Wazza10®
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At this point they should just scrap the VAT system and let the refs decide the game
powaklmos
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Bro all this yapping of yours is because it favoured you, next it can be against u and you will complain too. That's a clear RED CARD ♦️ bro. But still congrats 👏🎉
bro, despite him giving an in-depth analysis as to why the on field decision was a right call, it's surprising you remain sentimental with your submission. Ignorantly and pathetically, most of us claim to have football know how far more than the professionals based on our passion, sentiments and obsession for clubs etcetera. It's obvious we haven't grown up yet.
reodiklotz
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100% red card
Boss0987
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Webb is a fool. Is anyone surprised EPL referees and Webb are destroying the game. Frankly Webb and his referees should be investigated for match fixing. Who are the gamblers or betting companies paying them off.
powaklmos
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I really get angry when we debate on stuff like this when we know football is a contact sport. I get angrier when ex-footballers who have played the game at the highest level cannot use their head to analyze a simple occurrence. Several questions need to be asked; Was there intent to hurt player? No! Could it have been a mistimed error? Yes Was the impact heavy? No Did the injury affect the continued involvement of the player? No If all the above question points to the fact that the a red card could have been avoided, why not allow the game to continue. The player (Doku) in question is a seriously fast player and the only way to stop him is not to give him time on the ball which Dalot was trying to do. In the circumstance, it definitely wasn’t a red card and both players learnt their lessons. Stupid players like Keane and Richards just dissapoint with their one-sided myopic punditry. A complete mess and disgrace. Was the player penalized?
Your submission is highly analytical devoids of sentiments. kudos.
Fewklnuyz
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G criminals always supporting bullshit
yeeceprtz
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Doku was not insured, carried on playing and was substituted in the second half. my point is they lost because they were not good enough on the deby day.
so you have to injure a player to get a redcard? what an idiot!
yeeceprtz
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What a lame excuse. so what's the point of VAR then , if they will leave it for the ref 😂🤣
iceyez
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That's never a red card
rafaeljoel
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
which city player rubbish say if it was casemiro it would have been a red card
Dehadeiprt
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Dermot Gallagher thought it’s a red card but didn’t speak of Mason Mount goal that was wrongly disallowed.
Dapdekmtz
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Man United played at OLD TRAFFORD. Howard Webb, you are clear evidence!
bwalyaalfred024
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PGMOL chief will never turn against his subordinates which is absurd and killing the sport we love com'on it's clear red. high exposing his studs. sick man
Tukbimnor
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check the relationship between Haward Webb and Manchester United before writing any story. You didn't writing anything new here that would be interesting to read.
Luycdemprs
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😂😂 Howard Webb, right? What do you expect? The guy is Man United in and out. Helped them win a lot of titles
Ronbdemruy
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you are a fool,come and give him
putcdelmno
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If it was Chelsea direct red card
for sure
Dambilopry
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
mumu so u needed a red card just to score a goal 😂
Peaceprince
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Again Dalot. With the team's positive news still stays on the negative side [Crylaugh][Crylaugh][Crylaugh]
Peaceprince
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
Ok, let Bodo beat you fairly
Peaceprince
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If it was Chelsea direct red card
Angelz
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Doku was not insured, carried on playing and was substituted in the second half. my point is they lost because they were not good enough on the deby day.
NanbalRaphael
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I really get angry when we debate on stuff like this when we know football is a contact sport. I get angrier when ex-footballers who have played the game at the highest level cannot use their head to analyze a simple occurrence. Several questions need to be asked; Was there intent to hurt player? No! Could it have been a mistimed error? Yes Was the impact heavy? No Did the injury affect the continued involvement of the player? No If all the above question points to the fact that the a red card could have been avoided, why not allow the game to continue. The player (Doku) in question is a seriously fast player and the only way to stop him is not to give him time on the ball which Dalot was trying to do. In the circumstance, it definitely wasn’t a red card and both players learnt their lessons. Stupid players like Keane and Richards just dissapoint with their one-sided myopic punditry. A complete mess and disgrace. Was the player penalized?
Bro all this yapping of yours is because it favoured you, next it can be against u and you will complain too. That's a clear RED CARD ♦️ bro. But still congrats 👏🎉
duuikmpsu
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Anthony Taylor was favouring United
Emmaveli29
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yes if it was a Chelsea players it should be direct red card without VAR intervention
As e dey sweet us, e dey pain them
Emmaveli29
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you are just a shameless animal oh you are waiting for a red card so you can win, so you club can't win without a red card
nice question
Emmaveli29
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If it was Chelsea direct red card
your business
fakabdmnor
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I really get angry when we debate on stuff like this when we know football is a contact sport. I get angrier when ex-footballers who have played the game at the highest level cannot use their head to analyze a simple occurrence. Several questions need to be asked; Was there intent to hurt player? No! Could it have been a mistimed error? Yes Was the impact heavy? No Did the injury affect the continued involvement of the player? No If all the above question points to the fact that the a red card could have been avoided, why not allow the game to continue. The player (Doku) in question is a seriously fast player and the only way to stop him is not to give him time on the ball which Dalot was trying to do. In the circumstance, it definitely wasn’t a red card and both players learnt their lessons. Stupid players like Keane and Richards just dissapoint with their one-sided myopic punditry. A complete mess and disgrace. Was the player penalized?
Yupadilrst
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I think it's time they should introduce penalty for referees bad decisions. There should be a body that should be giving referee instant red card for bad officiating and bar from referring in 3 matches.
vaebceilo
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
you are just a shameless animal oh you are waiting for a red card so you can win, so you club can't win without a red card
MRFOCUS100
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you people that are commenting should cry more,go and watch it on video and know how serious it is and if it is a red card if you are a referee. They are winning city 2 :0 in champions League now ,what happened again?
Peyabemou
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If it was Chelsea direct red card
ArchangelRaphael
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You people deserve what happened in AFCON competition or in turkey league you people need a massive beating.
snowpump
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if was a city player that did that its a red such buyusness proves united cant beat city fairly
Buoacepuz
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if that was a Chelsea player we where going to see a red card we know you inconsistency
we are Chelsea the world champions 🏆 🥇
GiniusJose
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How many times referees andvar have failed to award Manchester United penalties in many occasion matches and these pundits don't even try to talk about
joobdioyz
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it's not really a big deal remain with your corrupt team that is why you can not see good things this time around
Good things is all around Chelsea, we are seeing it.
123Sonam
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because he was sent from Arsenal
badbimrz
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yes if it was a Chelsea players it should be direct red card without VAR intervention
Buoacepuz
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if that was a Chelsea player we where going to see a red card we know you inconsistency
continue using referee's
Buoacepuz
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if that was a Chelsea player we where going to see a red card we know you inconsistency
it's not really a big deal remain with your corrupt team that is why you can not see good things this time around
Tocilostyz
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if that was a Chelsea player we where going to see a red card we know you inconsistency
Chelsea is cursed 🤬