There are some things that are clear even after two weekends of the Premier League season. Arsenal will be there in the shake-up for the title next May. Manchester United will not.
To be at Craven Cottage on a balmy Sunday afternoon and see Ruben Amorim's side labour to a painful, uncertain 1-1 draw with Fulham was to be assailed with an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.
There was Bruno Fernandes, ballooning a penalty so high over the Fulham crossbar that his kick launched a thousand memes purporting to show people staring at the ball in wonder as it sailed across the night sky.
There was Fernandes moaning at the referee for giving an obvious foul against Manuel Ugarte. There was Amad Diallo giving the ball away cheaply. There was Casemiro being bypassed in midfield.
There was Luke Shaw making his 200th appearance, asking the question why United have still not moved on from him yet. There were Fulham, cutting through United's defence like a knife through butter in the closing stages, as the visitors clung on to a point for dear life.
Yes, the new £200m front three of Bryan Mbeumo, Matheus Cunha and Benjamin Sesko - when Sesko finally got off the bench - was marginally more lively than the moribund trio that occupied those positions last season. But that is a low bar. A very low bar.
Then there was the goalkeeper, Altay Bayindir, who was preferred again to Andre Onana. Bayindir proceeded to look, just as he had against Arsenal last weekend, like a liability at corners, sowing confusion whenever a ball sailed into the box. Bayindir looked as if he was waving forlornly at friends rather than trying to catch a cross.
No wonder United are said to be close to signing Senne Lammens for £17m from Royal Antwerp to try to fix the problem. Fixing United is like a game of whack-a-mole these days. They think they have sorted one issue. Then another appears.
The reality is that this is a team still dominated by mediocrity. It is a team of has-beens and never-will-bes. It is a team that will be a million miles off winning the league. It is a team that has very little chance of making the top four.
If they're lucky, they might challenge for the top six but after watching them in south-west London, I'd be surprised if they achieved that. None of this exactly comes as a surprise to anyone, I know. United were 15th last season. They are coming from a long, long way back.
Messages are still mixed, too. Why did Sesko not start? Why did Amorim bring on Manuel Ugarte to try to protect United's lead in the second half when Ugarte has already shown he is not good enough for a job like that and showed it again. There's a reason why PSG kicked on when they got rid of him.
It still feels like listening to a dirge being at a United game. The muscle memory of people like me, who still remember their Treble year and all the triumphs either side of it tells us that this should not be happening.
But the reality is that United are a mid-table side now. Watching them play as they did at Craven Cottage should not be a surprise but somehow, after all the money they have spent and because of the giants they once were, it always is.
United had started like an express train. Cunha, playing in the centre of the front three, whistled a shot over the bar in the first minute and sidefooted a shot against the face of Bernd Leno's left-hand post two minutes later.
Cunha was playing beautifully. He ran on to a long clearance from Bayindir and, as the ball dropped over his shoulder, he took it down perfectly on his right foot and lashed a shot goalwards. Leno produced a fine save to push it away.
The rest of the half became attritional until, eight minutes from the interval, referee Chris Kavanagh was alerted by VAR to a wrestling match between Calvin Bassey and Mason Mount that had just occurred in the Fulham box.
Kavanagh viewed the footage, which looked like highlights from a bout of judo and also showed Shaw throwing Rodrigo Muniz to the floor at the same time as Bassey and Mount's altercation.
Something has to be done to stop these absurd antics and in the light of the new refereeing directives, Mr Kavanagh awarded a penalty to United. Fernandes took the kick and ballooned it so high over the bar that someone may have had to fish it out of the River Thames.
Maybe someone asked Bayindir to do it. The way he flailed at a series of Fulham corners in the last minutes of the half, he looked more like a swimmer practising front crawl. There must be more chance of him reaching a ball in the water than catching one in the air.
So there was some irony in the fact that United took the lead from a corner just before the hour. Leny Yoro rose to meet a Mbeumo corner and even if he only made faint contact, the ball cannoned off the back of Muniz and beat Leno's attempt to keep it out.
It was clear that Yoro pushed Bassey in the back with both hands as the corner was taken but VAR and the referee chose to ignore that particular infringement. Marco Silva, the Fulham boss, made his displeasure known from the bench.
Silva may have felt some sort of justice was served when Fulham equalised in the 73rd minute. Alex Iwobi cut inside from the left and curled in a cross. Raul Jimenez poked a foot at it and missed but Emile Smith Rowe met it at the near post and prodded it beyond Bayindir.
A draw was probably a fair result. It was a fair reflection of where United are at. One point from two games, sitting in 16th place, ordinary players giving an ordinary performance. Progress, it appears, is going to be slow.
ridaclmno
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I agree reduced to a small team
vuaabdipu
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Yes, they are due to the fact that their manager is Ruben Amorim
Richardoghale
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No, you didn’t. Did you win a trophy ending at 4th? Because ultimately whether you finished 2nd or 17th, we are in the same boat. And enjoy your new found success.
Never in the same boat, God forbid
Amine_Ermac
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Idiot know the difference between broke and ffp, we are renovating a stadium 1billion€ aw is that broke dummy United is useless and will continue too be useless and dead
It is always the One sided mind individuals who are always quick to insult others because you disagree with them I guess that's your currency. It may help fund that 1billion stadium.
rokblnpy
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Those who are saying it's to early to judge any seem not to be following Epl trend of the past 10 season gone are the days when you could win the premiership in December, of late you got to be there from day one.Being a Liverpool, fan l've learnt it the hard way we 've lost the league twice with 90 plus points. Pep set that standard with man city. So there-s nothing like to early the competitiveness of this league has become so tough, intact if possible you need to win every game to be champions. So there's nothing like to early don't let any team to run away.
Amine_Ermac
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I don’t understand certain criticisms. Klopp was average his 1st 2 years but look at how Liverpool turned out to be. What was Chelsea doing 2-3 years ago compared to now under Maresca? Arsenal has had a a great team for 5 seasons now and still have not won the EPL with Arteta. The point is all of them were given time to implement their ideas. I don’t know what you are watching but I can see Amorim ideas and style. It is going to get better but sadly we live in an instant gratification world, which complicates and scrutinizes everything.
It is always the One sides mind individuals who are always quick to insult others because you disagree with them 😂 . I guess that’s your currency. It may help fund that 1billion stadium.
bwambamo
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Football is really funny, but to us who understand its dynamics, we are not moved. It's just 2 games and conclusions, boom. it's too early for one to make such conclusions, unless you don't understand football. I remember the buzz that came along when for example mancity thrashed wolves 4-nil and everyone was reminding us how they were serious title contenders, and after one week they are now saying they will struggle going to top four. In their first match against Arsenal, everyone praised man utd, and even some went ahead to claim they would compete for the top four. Am just saying let us be patient. The season has just started, and new players are settling in. I am not saying man utd will win the trophy, and neither am I saying that they will compete for the trophy. I am just saying the conclusions are premature.
AFerusmc6546
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Lol we finished and loaning you a player because your team can afford to spend 😂. Yes, we are finished but not broke or bad at business.
Idiot know the difference between broke and ffp, we are renovating a stadium 1billion€ aw is that broke dummy United is useless and will continue too be useless and dead
Amine_Ermac
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U are not man u is useless and a finished club
Lol we finished and loaning you a player because your team can afford to spend 😂. Yes, we are finished but not broke or bad at business.
AFerusmc6546
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No, you didn’t. Did you win a trophy ending at 4th? Because ultimately whether you finished 2nd or 17th, we are in the same boat. And enjoy your new found success.
U are not man u is useless and a finished club
Arjenrobben11
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Because they keep hiring mediocre managers, who bring in their own mediocre players
Dapcmostz
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United is getting Relegated 😭😂🤣
Amine_Ermac
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Did we end at 15? United is finished
No, you didn’t. Did you win a trophy ending at 4th? Because ultimately whether you finished 2nd or 17th, we are in the same boat. And enjoy your new found success.
Richardoghale
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I don’t understand certain criticisms. Klopp was average his 1st 2 years but look at how Liverpool turned out to be. What was Chelsea doing 2-3 years ago compared to now under Maresca? Arsenal has had a a great team for 5 seasons now and still have not won the EPL with Arteta. The point is all of them were given time to implement their ideas. I don’t know what you are watching but I can see Amorim ideas and style. It is going to get better but sadly we live in an instant gratification world, which complicates and scrutinizes everything.
Did we end at 15? United is finished
Richardoghale
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Some comments sound vaccinated. 2 games shouldn't grant miserable people the opportunity to make a case where there is none. There a teams below United on the log that don't belong there because it's too early to judge.
Any teams there belong there
Amine_Ermac
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I don’t understand certain criticisms. Klopp was average his 1st 2 years but look at how Liverpool turned out to be. What was Chelsea doing 2-3 years ago compared to now under Maresca? Arsenal has had a a great team for 5 seasons now and still have not won the EPL with Arteta. The point is all of them were given time to implement their ideas. I don’t know what you are watching but I can see Amorim ideas and style. It is going to get better but sadly we live in an instant gratification world, which complicates and scrutinizes everything.
No I don’t. I gave out 3 scenarios and you were only compelled to point out one of them, which is strange! How many were really dominant in the EPL during Klopp first 2 seasons.
Cekabcpsy
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It's just a matter of time. Things will get better as the time unfolds. We no kill person for us to get punisheda The only problem right now is our stubborn coach who doesn't want to change lineup and tactics. He's so stubborn to such extent that he don't know that every match requires different approach. Every successful team in the league and Europe as a whole uses 4-3-3 formation and not the other way round. United ain't gonna revive this team if they cannot get a good coach. No consistency. One good match today and the next six or seven matches will make you regret why you're an avid Manchester United fan. So pathetic! I don't know how long this problem will last.
Rizzy4k
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new season, same united😂💀
Pumacdmryz
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I don’t understand certain criticisms. Klopp was average his 1st 2 years but look at how Liverpool turned out to be. What was Chelsea doing 2-3 years ago compared to now under Maresca? Arsenal has had a a great team for 5 seasons now and still have not won the EPL with Arteta. The point is all of them were given time to implement their ideas. I don’t know what you are watching but I can see Amorim ideas and style. It is going to get better but sadly we live in an instant gratification world, which complicates and scrutinizes everything.
Go and check klopp 1st and 2nd years at Liverpool position.. They were far better than this. do u even understand what you are saying
Niccdortu
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Some comments sound vaccinated. 2 games shouldn't grant miserable people the opportunity to make a case where there is none. There a teams below United on the log that don't belong there because it's too early to judge.
Amine_Ermac
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I don’t understand certain criticisms. Klopp was average his 1st 2 years but look at how Liverpool turned out to be. What was Chelsea doing 2-3 years ago compared to now under Maresca? Arsenal has had a a great team for 5 seasons now and still have not won the EPL with Arteta. The point is all of them were given time to implement their ideas. I don’t know what you are watching but I can see Amorim ideas and style. It is going to get better but sadly we live in an instant gratification world, which complicates and scrutinizes everything.
Amine_Ermac
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Criticism is part of punditry. I just pray and wish that they have the balls to come out and say “I was wrong about Manchester United” because I promise you that we are going to get better.
Jumcdeiksy
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Man United is cursed club.in many matches more chances may be created to be clear goals but they end up in goalless game which may lead thm to loos or draw.. there is badluck playing its rule.
youngfarmer_10
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🐐
KaySimz
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this Amorim thinks this is Portuguese league which only have three teams who battles for the trophy
Sofreshh
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Formation is horrible, starting players questionable, what does ugarte and dalot know abt Amorim to be getting minutes over mainoo
muhceilrst
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Casamero and Shaw are costing united, very slow to press forward and inability to posses the ball, As for Amad I don't agree with, simply bcz my play boy lost the ball doesn't make him less better,he won back the tackle and he was always breaking the defense before taken out
emondorock
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United all last season and now it's continued...they don't have the quality to get back into Europe?
Yoobcdmrz
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I agree United's showing in the 2nd half mid-table at best. Although United started well their heads dropped in the 2nd half. Certain players looked like their thoughts where else where! £200,million attack where was that in the 2nd half ("not sure how many touches substitute Sesko had if any!") Fulham's substitutes did make a difference unlike United's. How many times must we hear the same well scripted excuses "we know we can do better, be patient we're rebuilding Blah blah blah 😑
Pizdnprs
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Journalists talk too much, last week you were saying a different thing, today you are saying a different thing. We shall see what you will say tomorrow if they win their next game by some 3 or 4 goals.
Bucbdemnz you are not a man u fan. I want to ask you a question what do think would be the coach excuse for not winning today's match, after spending over 200m pounds. You are just mocking man u, you are not a true fan
Pizdnprs
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Let truth be told Amorim has nothing to offer, let him go to a team of his level, the problem of the team is that they don't play space football and that's the fault of the coach. What are they doing in training. What's the 74 million pound doing in the bench. Did you buy him to warm the bench. Let Amorim do something before it's too late. Tottenham is winning games
Jabacnostu
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Man United has already lost it when they signed Amorim to rescue the team...His playing style doesn't fit Man United as well as his football ideology...he focusses reforming attack while neglecting defense which conceded 54 goals in EPL alone last season.
Jabacnostu
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Journalists talk too much, last week you were saying a different thing, today you are saying a different thing. We shall see what you will say tomorrow if they win their next game by some 3 or 4 goals.
Because last week's performance against Arsenal is far better than this week's performance against lowly Fulham... Logically, how could they say the same thing?
jiwakmprsy
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They hate him when he's in England. This coach Will sink this club
Bucbdemnz
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Journalists talk too much, last week you were saying a different thing, today you are saying a different thing. We shall see what you will say tomorrow if they win their next game by some 3 or 4 goals.
NanbalRaphael
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😂😂😂😂😂👀👀 The way he flailed at a series of Fulham corners in the last minutes of the half, he looked more like a swimmer practising front crawl. There must be more chance of him reaching a ball in the water than catching one in the air.
Keym001
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I man united have different problem than just coach and players
Taaaikrstz
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as we want th team to win ok
NanbalRaphael
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This statement got me 😂😂😂😂... "There was Luke Shaw making his 200th appearance, asking the question why United have still not moved on from him yet"
lightrex
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Who plans Man UTD recruitment strategies!!! I'd have done a better job than this....I'd sell Bruno the moment Saudi offered 100M for him and bought either Baleba or Wharton...Also they Will languish in mid-table no matter how many attacking players they bring as long as they don’t change their goalkeepers...Why does Amorim still go with his ineffective 3_4_3 combination & why he still plays mount & Casemiro in place of Mainoo and Sesko!!! thank god I support Liverpool but I genuinely feel sorry for Man Utd
BlacAce90
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mid-table???? bottom of the table is the most suitable and relevant word!!!
FOTs
vitinha23
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United failed to play as they did against Arsenal. Everyone is talking because Manchester United drew a match, even the mosquitoes seem to be buzzing in our ears! The season has just started, so let's see how it goes. Amorim still has work to do. hold Mbeumo and Cunha down, the United team is powerless. too bad Marcos Silva plan work perfectly well on United.
wohelsty
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Truth be told Amorem has no justification to axed raahford, Sancho,garnacho and malacia from the team if the current performances is anything to go by.
BlacAce90
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your so called best team lost to Tottenham
Vaomnpty
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The storm is coming like he promised Mr Promise and excuses now we drop points
bedbcdersz
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Amorin You are not good for my team
Gentle_gaint
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Y’all think change comes overnight? It's a process! Let man united be....
cohamptz
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ordinary players
ANK3430
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ANK3430
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