Manchester United head honcho Ed Woodward was glowing in his praise of financial fair play last week.
The Reds chief executive avoided any direct comment on Manchester City's two-year European ban, a punishment which was announced days before his pronouncement, and is now subject to an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
But he thought FFP was spot-on, saying: “I see a strong commitment from UEFA to ensure that Financial Fair Play continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry.
“And if you look at the last five years, the overall operating profits across the top leagues in the 55 countries in Europe, they have gone from pretty large losses all the way up to to breaking even and small operating profits.
“I think it's been beneficial overall and it's up to the regulators to manage that.”
It was interesting that his comments came as United announced that their net debt had climbed by £73.6million in the second half of last year, with their gross debt sitting at a whopping £492million.
He was correct that FFP has had a beneficial impact across Europe in many ways, with net profits going from £1.54bn deficit to a £120million profit, as it stopped clubs from spending beyond their means.
But it failed to mention that net debt is up from £6bn to £7.2bn across the continent.
Debt has been utterly forgotten in all this, dismissed with a wave of the hand as something which everyone has – from your mortgage to national governments, all of which sit on a mountain of IOUs.
Michel Platini, the Uefa president who pushed FFP through, wanted debt targeted, because not only does it put clubs at risk of plunging into crisis, it also leaches money out of the game.
Liverpool tottered on the verge of bankruptcy in 2010 due to the leveraged debt which American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett had piled against the club in their 2007 takeover.
For an ideal that was intended to protect clubs from their own over-reaching ambitions, or rather those of greedy owners, the omission of debt from the FFP rules is staggering.
Supporters of FFP have neatly evolved their arguments, so that the idea of clubs being protected from themselves has now become clubs being protected from others, significantly from big-spending owners, usually those with an oil or gas background.
United would have likely failed an FFP that included debt, as likely would Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus and a few other European big hitters. That alone perhaps explains why debt was quietly dropped from the embryonic rules.
Debt went from being Platini's bogeyman to being a part of everyday life, something we all comfortably live with. But that other staple of business life, capital investment, was identified a the actual enemy.
Is there another industry on the planet that approves of debt but clamps down on strong owner investment?
Suddenly, the threat is not clubs over-stretching in their pursuit of success and the riches it brings.
No, the real is portrayed as the limitless pockets of owners like City's Sheikh Mansour, or Paris St Germain's Nasser El Khalaifi.
They have been forcing everyone else to spend money they did not have, goes the spurious argument - it simply is not fair, they say.
That conveniently ignores the fact that big spending was not invented by City or PSG – United, Real Madrid and Barcelona have been at the forefront of that vice for years.
A £50million signing whose fee was raised by flogging United duvet covers in Thailand is no more or less inflationary than one whose cost is funded by a beneficial owner.
United have broken the British transfer record more times than any other club. City have never broken that particular record.
Liverpool have the second highest transfer spend in a calendar year, behind Barcelona. City trail in third.
City also have no signings in the top 23 of the most expensive transfer fees, while United have four, Liverpool one, Barcelona four and Real Madrid five.
Indeed, it seems the clubs which actually ARE inflating transfer fees, and driving would-be competitors to match their efforts, are those who have always done so – Europe's traditional elite.
Therein surely lies the true purpose of FFP, whichever way Woodward and the rest of the traditional powerbase cut it up.
LordVader
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
It's by no means more reliable. The difference being, a business has to earn a loan. You can't go get a mortgage tomorrow for a multi-million pound home on a 30k/year salary. It's not just City's transfer spend, it's the wage bill too. If any owner stops funding the club's losses, then players down get paid. That's not sustainability. You say City one day will be self sustainable, and that's great. I hope so, but in the meantime, FFP is there to protect clubs from severe financial risk. As you said, not rocket science.
ljik
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
It’s better to rely on owners money than money from external creditors who don’t have the loanees best interests at heart. The sheikhs contributions have been aimed at allowing City to build up a competitive squad and to make the club self sustaining. City isn’t self sustaining atm, because we like to spend a lot in the transfer window. If we cut down on the transfer spending, we’d have no issue breaking even. Both United and City want to spend more than they generate in year. Uniteds spending is loan financed and increases their liabilities. City’s doesn’t, because our source is our owner. Both clubs have the revenue streams to break even. It’s not rocket science to see who’s model is more sustainable.
ljik
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It just shows again that UEFA doesn’t have a clue what they’re doing. Owners investing in their asset is completely normal and is often a positive sign.
LordVader
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I am too surprised about this debt law. You can't spend your money but you can have some loan and spend as you like.
Firstly, you can service debt without paying down the principle. Secondly, and only because you're being so stubborn, I pulled the Manchester United Annual Report, and have snipped their total liabilities going from year end 2018 to year end 2019. See attached. Now please clarify what I need to get into my head and add a few more emojis.
Zakbelnst
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FFP was created by big clubs to protect big clubs. they don't want new teams who are threatening to take control. ban us yes. congratulations. those who want to go should go. an those that are staying should stay. after 2 years prepare another file of ban because we are caming stronger after 2 years. we are caming to buy all the talent out there. the money is there. If you want to die go an die. city for life.
Ryan83
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I am too surprised about this debt law. You can't spend your money but you can have some loan and spend as you like.
finally an article that explains what's going on in world football
Shadownet
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Because the club's annual revenue and continued servicing of that debt indicates that they're capable of meeting the terms of the debt provision. Very fucking simple if you're not financially illiterate.
It's clear you don't know what you are saying. Unless United keeps getting Loans from more sources then there debt are meant to decrease yearly as the Annual Revenue generated by the club is used to pay off the debt by certain percentages yearly. If the debt increases, it simply indicated inability of the club to meet up with the Demands of the current debt. Get that in your head man...
LordVader
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There are absolutely NO benefits to debt, there are benefits to debt financing and debt consolidation....given that you're in debt and is trying to dissolve/clear said debt. But there are no benefits to having debt. Please for God sakes go do some research. Who in their right mind go out looking to be in debt?[Crylaugh][Crylaugh][Crylaugh]
I'm not going to argue with you, but again... just Google why debt is a constant essential for the financial health of pretty much every business on the planet. Just Google it lad. Educate yourself.
LordVader
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Thank you, you said they have "attempted" to break the rules, but if you read the article I responded to you will agreed with me that Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid were actually broke the rules in the past and nothing was done by UEFA in respect of that, perhaps they looked at the owners of those clubs and decided not to use their sledge hammer against them. That's why I see the punishment for Manchester City as biased and worst of racism at work.
When did United break the FFP rules?
LordVader
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but yet your debt climbed up over a billion. how does that signify that united are competent enough to pay them off ??? SMH
Because the club's annual revenue and continued servicing of that debt indicates that they're capable of meeting the terms of the debt provision. Very fucking simple if you're not financially illiterate.
Shadownet
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Because your eligibility for a loan is based on the business' ability to repay it over time. Owner investments covering operating losses however, are irrespective of the business' ability to sustain player wages.
but yet your debt climbed up over a billion. how does that signify that united are competent enough to pay them off ??? SMH
idriscity
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They're also the two clubs where owners have attempted to break/bend the FFP rules they agreed to abide by. I'm sure that has more to do with it than racism.
Thank you, you said they have "attempted" to break the rules, but if you read the article I responded to you will agreed with me that Manchester United, Barcelona and Real Madrid were actually broke the rules in the past and nothing was done by UEFA in respect of that, perhaps they looked at the owners of those clubs and decided not to use their sledge hammer against them. That's why I see the punishment for Manchester City as biased and worst of racism at work.
AverageS4v4g3
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Literally don't have the time to educate you on it, but by all means Google "benefits of debt". At a very basic level, you probably couldn't own a home without it, but the are far more complex reasons why almost every successful business and government intention operates with a certain level of debt. I promise you, you'll find articles that can explain better than I have time for.
There are absolutely NO benefits to debt, there are benefits to debt financing and debt consolidation....given that you're in debt and is trying to dissolve/clear said debt. But there are no benefits to having debt. Please for God sakes go do some research. Who in their right mind go out looking to be in debt?[Crylaugh][Crylaugh][Crylaugh]
voebcms
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I am too surprised about this debt law. You can't spend your money but you can have some loan and spend as you like.
you can take loan and you have to repay that loan with the money earn by the club. All the money must be the money earn by the club and not outside the club like oil money.
LordVader
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From this superior argument, it's obvious we know why they are after Manchester City and PSG. You have mentioned two names who owned the two club and by their names we know their origin and background which suggest the whole UEFA financial saga against Manchester City is nothing but racism and witch-hunt.
They're also the two clubs where owners have attempted to break/bend the FFP rules they agreed to abide by. I'm sure that has more to do with it than racism.
LordVader
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I am too surprised about this debt law. You can't spend your money but you can have some loan and spend as you like.
Because your eligibility for a loan is based on the business' ability to repay it over time. Owner investments covering operating losses however, are irrespective of the business' ability to sustain player wages.
LordVader
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we were on profit though
Nope, operating at a loss without Mansour and his buddies providing bogus sponsorships to funnel extra revenue into the club to cover losses. Hence Der Spiegel email hack. Hence UEFA FFP investigation.
LordVader
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You're really coming with the argument that debt is ok. Tell me in which universe being in debt is beneficial?
Literally don't have the time to educate you on it, but by all means Google "benefits of debt". At a very basic level, you probably couldn't own a home without it, but the are far more complex reasons why almost every successful business and government intention operates with a certain level of debt. I promise you, you'll find articles that can explain better than I have time for.
LordVader
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We are not operating in debt, Man u is not operating in debt, soo why does FFP terget us and not you? Thats what the article is saying.
City are operating at loss on transfers and wages, without inflated sponsorship deals from Mansour and his buddies. Simply, without grossly overpriced sponsorship deals, the club couldn't pay the team based on its own revenue generation. It's not self-sustaining. This is what FPP is about, albeit imperfect.
Saugat Panta
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I am too surprised about this debt law. You can't spend your money but you can have some loan and spend as you like.
idriscity
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From this superior argument, it's obvious we know why they are after Manchester City and PSG. You have mentioned two names who owned the two club and by their names we know their origin and background which suggest the whole UEFA financial saga against Manchester City is nothing but racism and witch-hunt.
haoknprst
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FFP was created by big clubs to protect big clubs. they don't want new teams who are threatening to take control. ban us yes. congratulations. those who want to go should go. an those that are staying should stay. after 2 years prepare another file of ban because we are caming stronger after 2 years. we are caming to buy all the talent out there. the money is there. If you want to die go an die. city for life.
Muiruri Chris
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
We are not operating in debt, Man u is not operating in debt, soo why does FFP terget us and not you? Thats what the article is saying.
AverageS4v4g3
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
You're really coming with the argument that debt is ok. Tell me in which universe being in debt is beneficial?
AverageS4v4g3
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We were right all along, FFP is a safety net for the cartels.
FFP is only there to protect the legacy elites.
ishti
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Spot on article. What would have put the cherry on top was the fact that FFP also ignores the lack of regulation with the transfer fees put forward by selling clubs. How many clubs in Europe other than the established elites can compete for Sancho's signature? And he's priced at just 100m....howany clubs could have bid for VVD or Alisson?
We were right all along, FFP is a safety net for the cartels.
Arjenrobben11
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FFP should charge the Glazers for sucking the fun out of the club, along with most of the money
Bibek-Koirala
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
we were on profit though
jaybad
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we need kane in the side
LordVader
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My God. Suddenly everyone is a NY Times Financial Analyst. What Woodward said is a matter of fact. It's better to be profitable with manageable debt, than to be making a loss. Why do we demonize debt? The world runs on credit... homeowners, businesses (large and small), Governments, etc. Debt is not a bad thing, within the realms of financial prudence. Businesses annually operating at a loss however, is typically a dead end.
AverageS4v4g3
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Spot on article. What would have put the cherry on top was the fact that FFP also ignores the lack of regulation with the transfer fees put forward by selling clubs. How many clubs in Europe other than the established elites can compete for Sancho's signature? And he's priced at just 100m....howany clubs could have bid for VVD or Alisson?