Winning two in a row used to mean something different at Manchester United.
They went to Brentford in search of their first back-to-back league wins under Ruben Amorim, which tells you all you need to know about the team's progress after 33 games in the competition for the head coach.
He described the game as the club's "most important in a long time" but his players failed to translate that urgency onto the pitch as they suffered a deflating 3-1 defeat.
Victory over 10-man Chelsea last week failed to inspire the consistency that will ultimately keep Amorim in a job and they have sunk back into the bottom half of the table. So where does Amorim go from here?
Amorim stubborn despite glaring issues
It was once again so obvious that United's set-up was a massive issue at Brentford.
Forget criticism of playing three at the back, others have shown it is no impediment to success. It is Amorim's insistence on leaving his two-man midfield pivot exposed that comes back to bite him time and again.
Brentford changed from a back five to a back four against Amorim's three-at-the-back system, while keeping a midfield three of Jordan Henderson, Yehor Yarmoliuk and Mikkel Damsgaard.
Not for the first time this season, United's midfield pivot of Bruno Fernandes and Manuel Ugarte were overrun by Brentford, who richly deserved the three points.
Amorim did not seem to want to acknowledge those issues after the game. "It's always the same, when we win it's not the system, when we lose it's the system," he said.
So far, we've yet to see Amorim's United dominate a top team in the Premier League that has a full accompaniment of players. After Casemiro's red card last week, Chelsea made United sweat for the win.
Brentford boss Keith Andrews, who was in charge of set pieces in the club's set-up under Thomas Frank last season, explained after the game how his side overloaded United's midfield.
"It's the natural way you prepare for games," said Andrews, when asked if he targeted United's midfield. "You try and create overloads.
"One of which would be if we have a three-man midfield, they have a two. But you could flip it and say 'if their wide players tuck in, then they have a four'. But I certainly felt how we tried to entice them onto us and try and play around, or through [them], at times, would be on."
Andrews, in his first season as a senior head coach, demonstrated the value in adaptability on Saturday, while Amorim finished the game with Mbeumo and Mason Mount as his wing-backs.
How long can this go on?
Sky Sports pundit Gary Neville warned after the Manchester derby that being in the bottom half come October could spell trouble for Amorim.
Defeat at Brentford means that is exactly where United will start the month after finishing last season 15th in the table.
"There's got to be a turnaround pretty quickly, and the manager's idea has got to land very quickly with the players," the former United captain said at the time.
United's decision-makers are behind Amorim, but another defeat when Sunderland go to Old Trafford next week would ramp up the pressure on the head coach over the international break.
However, Amorim, who has reportedly offered his job up on more than one occasion, says fears about potentially being sacked do not enter his mind.
"I'm always comfortable with the job," Amorim told BBC Sport. "I've proved that already. I'm not concerned, that is not my decision. I will do the best I can in every minute that I'm here. I'm never concerned for my job, I'm not that kind of guy."
Amorim got a message of backing after the Manchester derby defeat. You wonder how many more set-backs he can survive before patience runs thin.
Results are the only thing that can save Amorim and he knows that. His record in the league stands at nine victories in 33 games. That is a win percentage of 27.3 per cent, lower than any other to succeed Ferguson by some distance.
Mental fragility exposed on the road
United have made a habit of starting games at a fast pace this season, certainly against Arsenal, Fulham, Burnley and Chelsea. Amorim wants his team to get off to a good start because he knows what happens when they don't.
Each league game this season in which United have conceded the first goal, they have lost.
The pressure cooker of Old Trafford has been too much for most players to sign for the club over the last decade and Amorim is trying to find a way to build confidence in the way his team plays.
He has enjoyed some success with this, at least in United's home games, but at Brentford, there was no sign of the electric start that overcame Chelsea. Without the crowd, the players struggle to cope.
This is reflected by their current eight-game winless run away from home in the league. The last one came in March at Leicester, who were relegated a month later.
Before that, it was at Fulham at the end of January. United were hardly convincing in that game either. Lisandro Martinez's deflected strike just got them over the line.
The mental fragility - and inability to cope without the support of Old Trafford - is a huge hindrance to Amorim's bid to bring consistency back to United.
"It's like ups and downs," said Amorim, when asked about this latest setback.
"When you win, you feel that everything and that the momentum is here. When you lose, you go back to the same place and fight again for the one win that can help you to create the momentum.
"I cannot tell you more than I say every time I lose the game. Sometimes you see one team that performs really well and you see improvements, and then sometimes you have some games that you don't see the improvement that gives you the confidence to say that Manchester United is going to get back.
"It's always the same conversation."
Amorim has been in the job for 10 months and is yet to win consecutive games in the league. Momentum feels extremely distant right now.
pabbdosty
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i petty those who say that amorim isn't the problem, where is the problem. Am saying amorim is the problem, how can u play three defenders and yet u know the system doesn't suit the players that you have. Why not to play 442 or 433 and leave bayindir you start lammens. Besides that board is behind amorim, amorim keep losing weekly and the man keep saying the same words.
I agree with you, play what you have till you get what u want. You must Win at all cost.
KajumbaPrim
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A good coach always know when to use different tactics during match whereas this Amorim is plain stupid n stubborn.
tru
KajumbaPrim
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so rigged
Bocbenou
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Goodnight bye hey
dinacemt
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so you live man united bery soon
MoltenBoss
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A good coach always know when to use different tactics during match whereas this Amorim is plain stupid n stubborn.
Huhbdklrt
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i petty those who say that amorim isn't the problem, where is the problem. Am saying amorim is the problem, how can u play three defenders and yet u know the system doesn't suit the players that you have. Why not to play 442 or 433 and leave bayindir you start lammens. Besides that board is behind amorim, amorim keep losing weekly and the man keep saying the same words.
Naubcdknoy
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This guy is not a good Coach he needs to be sacked, how can a coach have only one tactic.
UK the vibe...as a coach you cannot have 1 tactic
Wizprince11
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Ratcliff and Glazers are 5 and 6 in useless decisions making Sack him now before it is too late bring Xavi Harnadez, Andra Iraola or Julian Naggelsmen
ShawnEffect
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Amorim is not the problem
doekmoprst
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This guy is not a good Coach he needs to be sacked, how can a coach have only one tactic.
jecaclpru
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let him leave
zozaceipru
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Who is afraid of Amorim? A coach is not performing well yet both the Board and Sir Jim Ratclif were backing him up to see that he send the Club to the Professional league but God will not allow it to happen.
Zueacknsu
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who is setting the formation which is not working and is setting up the stupid starting line up with the likes of Maguire who is a slow pow...
dabadenouz
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Amorim took the penalty and missed... so yes sack ruben
Mide_reignz
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I didn't insult you, so why insulting your self and generation until people wee dey chop their money some where?
Me sef no insult you, ba comment I commented
donreal1990
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I don’t blame you, na Arteta I blame, na him give you chance to talk back, mumu Fans and club
I didn't insult you, so why insulting your self and generation until people wee dey chop their money some where?
Mide_reignz
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even arsenal too what time talk 😂😂, is today this man united issue hurt me so bad.... even arsenal too want to put mouth 😂😂 funny world
I don’t blame you, na Arteta I blame, na him give you chance to talk back, mumu Fans and club
donreal1990
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Amorim is not the problem please, how many coaches have you ppl, Man. Utd sacked, your player ain’t playing to the standards, y’all shud shut the crap please
even arsenal too what time talk 😂😂, is today this man united issue hurt me so bad.... even arsenal too want to put mouth 😂😂 funny world
Miraclekings
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this guy can never make any changes they should sack him on time
How much will you contribute to that?
Mide_reignz
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Amorim is not the problem please, how many coaches have you ppl, Man. Utd sacked, your player ain’t playing to the standards, y’all shud shut the crap please
Miraclekings
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No matter the coach,if you like appoint pep,or Enrique,any coach at all,the problem will still remain,the problem is with the owners of this club,it’s high time they sell the club and leave for good,for the club to heal again ,mourinho said a lot about this problems ,cristiano ronaldo also said it,but they didn’t say it in plain terms for people to understand,for we to see another glory days in this club again,the club have to change ownership to someone who understands football philosophy and not just business alone.
Miraclekings
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I told you people that this man has nothing to give send him away
Which club do you support?
Miraclekings
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Bring in Carrick & Fletcher please
Clueless fan{gulliblity in motion}
Fayblrsuy
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this guy can never make any changes they should sack him on time
Miraclekings
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why didn't ManU get Nuno after he left forest
Mumu guy
M_cAveli
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Amorim came to FINISH what Ten Hags started at Man United
Lepadkst
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Amorin will destroy united more
coecdirtyz
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I told you people that this man has nothing to give send him away
who are yuo
coecdirtyz
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Sacking him will still not change anything he needs more time
win Arsenal
coecdirtyz
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I told you people that this man has nothing to give send him away
who
Shark-V
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why didn't ManU get Nuno after he left forest
Ronbdemruy
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He is not a good manager
yes his true not a good manager but what happen to Bruno to lose penalty
vesbcklnuy
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no need for scrutiny,from the beginning of his tenure at utd ,Amorimor proved that he isnt the right person for that job.Unless you want him to resign,he is adding nothing to the club ,even if you give him another season.Cut losses,fire the fellow plse.
suaaekpu
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the man is too stubborn which I don't like as A coach if plan a doesn't work u switch and try plan B that's how it's been done, united isn't a small team you can use to taste different strategies
Mate, I used to play football in Frankfurt and the manager was given enough time to do his job his own way. He didn't win the Bundersliga because of Bayern Munich, Bayern was full of superb footballers and there was nothing the rest of the club could do. The quality of the players matters and not the quantity. You can compare Pep Guardiola's squad and Amorim's squad. Which of the two manager has the right players to win trophies? What will it change, if you change the manager and not the quality of the players??
Tocilostyz
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Bring in Carrick & Fletcher please
tuwadimny
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I told you people that this man has nothing to give send him away
kadabmrsty
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fans want to see improve of the team and team. playing better football so last year finish 10 position this time until today is 14 positions this is the worth man united in history with more rubbish players n coach
Lupbiopst
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Ruben Amorim is doing his best, but you "hopeless" fans transmit "Negative vibe" to the team. If the manager get sacked, he'll be paid, but you fool will end up with a new manager and same old story.
keeping him in the club means what?
kadabmrsty
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Manchester united if they want to back at track must to be with good coach who win some big trophy in uerope if not will never back that era ofan united coach must go as soon as possible with 6 to 8 players must go and of the list is rubbish week captain just show hand on ground n be second coach more than show responsibility like middifilder n deliver good pass for fowardline must go
Lupbiopst
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He is not a good manager
kadabmrsty
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this team will never be in even top 12 at the league this season if they still be with this coach and some players
Redmnprtuy
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You may be right, but the new manager need some time to get it right. Sacking the manager won't solve the problem. The problem at Manchester United isn't too small.
the man is too stubborn which I don't like as A coach if plan a doesn't work u switch and try plan B that's how it's been done, united isn't a small team you can use to taste different strategies
Nuscdeipu
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amorim system is like scrolling chameleon
suaaekpu
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I don't believe you.... Your Amorin will never get to understand EPL and the MAN United culture with his mentality. We can buy him all the players he wants, but with his approach, we won't qualify for the ECL
You may be right, but the new manager need some time to get it right. Sacking the manager won't solve the problem. The problem at Manchester United isn't too small.
Woyacdemp
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Ruben Amorim is doing his best, but you "hopeless" fans transmit "Negative vibe" to the team. If the manager get sacked, he'll be paid, but you fool will end up with a new manager and same old story.
I don't believe you.... Your Amorin will never get to understand EPL and the MAN United culture with his mentality. We can buy him all the players he wants, but with his approach, we won't qualify for the ECL
twikista
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He has been Utd's manager for 10 good months. No one expects him to win the EPL or finish in the top 4, but at least let's see some progress. The team has not shown any form of progress, being beaten like amateurs by almost every EPL team. So on what basis should he be given more time?
Woyacdemp
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EPL is not a child's playground.... get DIEGO SIMIONE or Z. ZIDANE or L. ENRIQUE
yotbikosu
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halei
suaaekpu
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Ruben Amorim is doing his best, but you "hopeless" fans transmit "Negative vibe" to the team. If the manager get sacked, he'll be paid, but you fool will end up with a new manager and same old story.