Another defeat for Manchester United, more inevitable and raucous debate about whether Ruben Amorim is the right man for the job.
The noise from outside the club is growing, but within the Old Trafford halls of power, the United bosses remain steadfastly patient with the Portuguese head coach. Albeit with mounting frustration on all sides at the team's inconsistency.
Amorim himself has repeated his assertion that he is not concerned about the possibility of being sacked, but he knows results have to improve significantly - and quickly - if he is to stay in the job.
Sky Sports News understands Amorim retains the backing of United's minority shareholder Sir Jim Ratcliffe, who is desperate to give his first managerial appointment a full season to prove himself, with his own players, after more than £200m was spent in the summer transfer window.
Despite reports to the contrary, sources are adamant the bosses are not lining up a list of replacements. The club, under its new INEOS stewardship, is determined to take a long-term view in all the decisions it takes - about player recruitment, facilities and the coaching staff - and so will not make any knee-jerk reaction to individual defeats.
The trouble for Amorim is that results have been persistently poor since he took over, and the optimism-inducing win over Chelsea has been followed up with a chastening 3-1 defeat against Brentford. United have taken 34 points from his 33 games in charge, and have yet to muster back-to-back wins in his 11 months at the helm.
United are not actively looking for their next manager. Nevertheless, every football club has contingency plans in place should they lose the head coach, in whatever circumstances, and it would be naive to think United will not have specific targets in mind if, for example, Amorim chose to resign.
He said in August following the Carabao Cup humiliation at the hands of Grimsby Town that "sometimes I want to quit". But he also said at the time "sometimes I want to stay for 20 years".
At Old Trafford and Carrington, there are no murmurings for managerial change. But ultimately, it comes down to the decision of one man: Sir Jim. And his current levels of patience will not sustain indefinitely.
Meanwhile, the club legends are lining up to voice their dismay - Wayne Rooney says he has "no faith" that Amorim can turn things around. Gary Neville says for the first time, he is worried the players are "really doubting the system".
Crystal Palace are proving that Amorim's chosen formation can be successful. Oliver Glasner has used a consistent 3-4-2-1 shape, and has delivered the FA Cup and Community Shield already, with this team having just beaten the champions.
Palace's achievements are an example of how it could work for United, but also a reminder of how poorly the team is doing by comparison. Palace are flying high in third spot in the Premier League. United are 14th.
It is still very early in the season, we are only six league matches in. But Amorim desperately needs his system to start paying dividends. And there is growing doubt about some of his decision-making.
Against Brentford when United were chasing the game, the head coach changed his back five, in either personnel or position, six times. Mason Mount only came on in the 81st minute, but he played two different positions in what was left of the match - No 10 and left wing-back - a move that Neville called "unforgivable".
No timescale has been set for Amorim to get it right. There is no deadline in terms of games, or set target in terms of wins. And yet there is a growing sense that United's next game - Sunderland at Old Trafford on Saturday - has the feeling of being a must-win for the home side.
With the international break straight afterwards and a two-week gap in club football, if that one were to end badly, then the clamour for Amorim's removal would only grow, and Ratcliffe's determination to stick with his man would be severely tested.
Man Utd's mental block pre-dates Amorim
Sky Sports News reporter Danyal Khan:
Ruben Amorim is incredibly honest but also accurate when he reflects on and analyses his Manchester United side before and after games.
So with the lack of European and Carabao Cup football, it is truly puzzling why United aren't able to address those flaws and show consistency with a full week to prepare on the training ground.
Even more so, after they showed such grit and determination to beat Chelsea the weekend before only for it to evaporate at Brentford.
The struggle for momentum pre-dates Amorim. United have not won back-to-back Premier League games in the same season since May 2024.
The mental block in the squad is a problem he has inherited and one he continues to try to address.
He has spoken about how he hoped the arrivals of Matheus Cunha and Bryan Mbeumo would alleviate that burden. But, despite some positive moments, it seems those old scars remain.
Amorim has not yet shown the body of work at United that shows the required consistency is on the way. He would be the first to acknowledge that.
Since his appointment, Amorim has picked up only 34 points in 33 Premier League games, a truly staggering statistic that nobody can hide from.
One wonders how long the United leadership will allow this form to continue when you consider Amorim's predecessor, Erik ten Hag, was only given nine games last season before he was sacked.
Sehceikouy
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Bruno stop a penalty striker sisko
bancknpt
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I thought Onana’s going was gonna solve all Manunited problems????
Mabacopy
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Man United, need to sack him is too much now
vuaabdipu
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Sacked now or after the Sunderland game You choose Man U board
Darrentcw
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Watching Amorim is like a pain in the ass..played 33 games with the same system and results are getting worse.it just prove that the syyis not working in epl..its as simple as that.Amorim is not Conte.Conte had perfect players to execute his 343 system.energetic midfielders,pacey wingers who can score goals and great CB..not to forget potent striker like Diego Costa who can score 20 goals a season.when your system doesn't work after 33 games then it's time to change..Trust me...with his arrogance and refusal to adapt he will get getting the sack very very soon..the same will happen even if he were to manage other teams..a good manager should know how to adapt and evolve.
bokbklmtu
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bruno, stop taking a penalty for Manchester United
Bengudmman
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Amorim is a pure scam in Man U.
Rahelmnrty
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put maguire as a captain... not Bruno he is the destroyer of every man utd players
Memaceiklu
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We’ve seen this before just last season with ETH after a poor start. Less than 1 year later the same with Amorim. The fools say is a rebuild but what kind of rebuild last less than 1 year?
hubdimrs
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The system doesn’t work. I am sure if he plays Mainoo and casimero in the midfield things will change but he not interested.
Amorim has been here 6 months with the same system it should be working now right? wrong.... Either he change the system according to the game or he need to be changed...
hubdimrs
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IF AMORIM knows only one system known as 3-4-3/3-4-2-1.... MU better change the manager
Junior_J
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The system doesn’t work. I am sure if he plays Mainoo and casimero in the midfield things will change but he not interested.
Korut
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lack crossing for sesko/striker. no midfield destroyer. mainoo is more a ball carrying player. ugarte as DM Should challenges all ball situation in central area not retreating to became 4th defence.
yamailmsuz
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fernandes is the problem for mu
greenshoes
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the problem is rashford, garna and Anthony.. sack them out! utd would be better
PrinceAbobyBlinkz
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Man U fans shud shut up and let the coach do his thing
thunder fire you there idiot 5-2
wimbdetu
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he's had more than enough time. patience is exactly why they'll keep losing
Kheizhed
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The funniest thing now is that for man utd, there's no team we can confidently beat in the Epl, even after 250m, that's very poor. No one is even optimistic that we'll beat Sunderland in our next game because they have shown they are in the EPL to stay and as Man utd is the laziest club in epl....We're losing again
adedefender
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my team of I was to keep Bruno Fernandes
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This is what Bruno wants and it's the same reason he's deliberately not performing, as a way of protesting to the coach
AFerofRi6246
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I still believe United has more to offer. The football they played on day 1 can’t go off my mind.
sozkmorsty
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united's problem is glazer's family. they must leave our club.
ashaam
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sack please
Laydenp
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Man U fans shud shut up and let the coach do his thing
Haydieb
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my team of I was to keep Bruno Fernandes
kucbdelyz
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I'm patiently waiting for the BREAKING NEWS that Amorim is sacked. He has nothing to offer man utd,he is finding it difficult to vary his tactics as a manager.
muhceilrst
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if you ask me , it's the right time united should sell Bruno urgate and get rid of Shaw and Maguire, a complete change,
yinacdeoz
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all current man u players now can enter there national team if they're under good man manager and not the useless one call him self amo.... nonsense
bukai26
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Management should not succumb to the media pressure. Amorim has to stay. Full support to him to bring back good results again. All sensible fans who have been following the club's trends to replace the manager and then to not find any solution will have the same opinion I believe. Amorim was the big thing in Europe a year ago, he still is. We need to back him as much as possible.
Kubbekmors
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If you want to die at an early age, Support Man u under Amorim
nuscdmopuy
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Amorim could be the right man. The challenge at Man U are the players they have. Which player at Man U is world class! None. Zero. Nil
NanbalRaphael
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Bro the system isn't working just change
soucdkmsy
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To be honest, Amorin is not the right guy for MU, the club is too big for him, he can't even used players at their right positions. Next game he can't even win against Sunderland, and the first game after international breaks, he will go to Anfield where he will loss.
jendiklr
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When ever a statement has come out from the board that they are backing a coach know that something is going wrong somewhere. Within a space of three months if results did not improve that coach is gone. A fact.
minacmnpty
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lol what a joke 😃 😀 😄 😁 🤣 😂
ramikmns
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believe in him he will make wonders
Butceilo
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mushebwa aile namafi kubuko amorim please change the system
Tutbceopsz
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Patient who? A man who came to destroy out darling club?
sapinrsu
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say it loudly..look at rushy today..to hell with that Portuguese small boy
AFeryvYl2672
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Amorim is not used to the English Primieship
AFeryvYl2672
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Continues recording Poor results discouraged everybody in Manchester United so kindly give Amorim the sacking order
nicklptz
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obvious next game he will win and loose the following
Keylmosuy
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Please keep taking a dump and don't let me cheer for Man U..
nicklptz
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NO this man must go as soon as possible
Lovebug2
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Ruben Amorim is not the right man for the job but Manchester United may try to keep him to avoid embarrassmentas a failed club.
Alopenu
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For me man utd system is alright but the problem is quality of players. I see the system being used- man utd suppose not to concede goals because i can see 5 defenders- now the problem comes in the defensive midfield- that area is completely broken and only better if casemiro is playing, again you can’t play Bruno at that area, Bruno supposed to play attacking midfielder, thus they wanted Baleba. If casemiro isn’t playing we lose because the heart isn’t complete.
So is who's fault now.... it all goes to manager the way he set his team is bad
bindeinops
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Play with this formation and switch the player's what he wants. I can promise that we will have results.
Zebeiklno
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if have a players not happy in your club ,you will be in trouble, the way Amoir come to the club, he come with target individual players, wanted to destroy young players talent,treated badly, sold them and chase them away from the club,he must know that he will punish himself, he knew nothing about the club but he tried trouble players like no body, Gernacho gone, Rashiford gone Sancho gone, Marcia gone,all five players he called them as bad but he is the one bad.
Bisemu
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I think the benched players are better than the ones on the field.
Vowdelmptu
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just leave the club and stop acting, sell Bruno Fernandes now...
Kusabknoz
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Just felt that whoever came in will be the same..